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	<title>Kommentare zu: If you ever wanted to learn Tommy Wonder&#8217;s Tamed Card</title>
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		<title>Von: escamoteur</title>
		<link>http://escamoteur.de/wordpress/index.php/2009/09/on-tommy-wonders-tamed-card/comment-page-1/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>escamoteur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom Just added the comments you suggested!</description>
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		<title>Von: Tom Stone</title>
		<link>http://escamoteur.de/wordpress/index.php/2009/09/on-tommy-wonders-tamed-card/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m happy to see that this worked out in the best possible way. You did right in contacting the estate, Tom (even though it was a bit late).

There were a few misunderstandings in the earlier comments, and it might be good to clarify some of it, just to be complete.
&lt;i&gt;5. Also as I did not copy any part of the book directly I’m not sure where the copyright of the trick itself really lies,&lt;/i&gt;

According to the Berne Convention, the copyright to the trick itself always belongs to the creator, and can not be transfered, sold or given away. After the passing of the creator, the rights falls to the estate of the creator, and is protected for 70 years. Dutch copyright law see no difference between commercial and non-commercial copyright transgressions.

&lt;i&gt;7. Educational purposes are in most locales fully allowed as long as not rendering the original work obsolete.&lt;/i&gt;
This refers to the Fair Use doctrin. But that only allows for smaller quotes, just enough to be able to discuss the artistic merits of the piece in question (like in a review, or a historical comparison). This is far beyond what is allowed by Fair Use.

Which doesn&#039;t matter now, as Tom has recieved permission from the estate. It only took one email for him to get it.

Tom, to avoid future misunderstandings, would you kindly add &quot;&lt;i&gt;(Published with permission from the Tommy Wonder Estate)&lt;/i&gt;&quot; next to the PDF link, or preferably inside the PDF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m happy to see that this worked out in the best possible way. You did right in contacting the estate, Tom (even though it was a bit late).</p>
<p>There were a few misunderstandings in the earlier comments, and it might be good to clarify some of it, just to be complete.<br />
<i>5. Also as I did not copy any part of the book directly I’m not sure where the copyright of the trick itself really lies,</i></p>
<p>According to the Berne Convention, the copyright to the trick itself always belongs to the creator, and can not be transfered, sold or given away. After the passing of the creator, the rights falls to the estate of the creator, and is protected for 70 years. Dutch copyright law see no difference between commercial and non-commercial copyright transgressions.</p>
<p><i>7. Educational purposes are in most locales fully allowed as long as not rendering the original work obsolete.</i><br />
This refers to the Fair Use doctrin. But that only allows for smaller quotes, just enough to be able to discuss the artistic merits of the piece in question (like in a review, or a historical comparison). This is far beyond what is allowed by Fair Use.</p>
<p>Which doesn&#8217;t matter now, as Tom has recieved permission from the estate. It only took one email for him to get it.</p>
<p>Tom, to avoid future misunderstandings, would you kindly add &#8220;<i>(Published with permission from the Tommy Wonder Estate)</i>&#8221; next to the PDF link, or preferably inside the PDF?</p>
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		<title>Von: Frank Bemelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Bemelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work Tom! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the tamed cards. Every effort to improve things is benificial to everyone.

Cheers, Frank
Tommy Wonder Estate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work Tom! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the tamed cards. Every effort to improve things is benificial to everyone.</p>
<p>Cheers, Frank<br />
Tommy Wonder Estate</p>
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		<title>Von: Christian Card-Shark Schenk</title>
		<link>http://escamoteur.de/wordpress/index.php/2009/09/on-tommy-wonders-tamed-card/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Card-Shark Schenk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading the PDF file and talking to Tom I can say that this PDF file is a good add-on to Tommy´s genious routine. As soon as I find the time to get all pieces together I will see how to integrate the remarks of Tom.

About the effect itself: The Tamed Card effect shows the genious and the thinking of Tommy Wonder in a very impressive way. Only reading the book or only watching the DVD would be OK but I want to get both together, that is why I talked to Hermetic Press and L&amp;L. So far it is also important to merge both pieces of work together so that the final product will be as good as possible. The extra remarks of Tom could be the necessary glue to solve this task.

The effect will be released using my new Phoenix Deck that will be the upcoming successor of the Bicycle brand (hopefully). You can read all about it on my website.

Best wishes
Christian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the PDF file and talking to Tom I can say that this PDF file is a good add-on to Tommy´s genious routine. As soon as I find the time to get all pieces together I will see how to integrate the remarks of Tom.</p>
<p>About the effect itself: The Tamed Card effect shows the genious and the thinking of Tommy Wonder in a very impressive way. Only reading the book or only watching the DVD would be OK but I want to get both together, that is why I talked to Hermetic Press and L&amp;L. So far it is also important to merge both pieces of work together so that the final product will be as good as possible. The extra remarks of Tom could be the necessary glue to solve this task.</p>
<p>The effect will be released using my new Phoenix Deck that will be the upcoming successor of the Bicycle brand (hopefully). You can read all about it on my website.</p>
<p>Best wishes<br />
Christian</p>
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		<title>Von: Hawkeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawkeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I add only a #7 and a #8 to Tom&#039;s list.

7. Educational purposes are in most locales fully allowed as long as not rendering the original work obsolete. (which as Tom made sure to not do this should be no issue)

8. Isn&#039;t suppressing minor helpful informational additions to past work only going to also suppress the art we seek to build.

Tom is obviously a working professional adding to the art and not at all seeking to diminish it.

I applaud the additional info and will be printing it to tip into my Books of Wonder.

Thanks Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I add only a #7 and a #8 to Tom&#8217;s list.</p>
<p>7. Educational purposes are in most locales fully allowed as long as not rendering the original work obsolete. (which as Tom made sure to not do this should be no issue)</p>
<p>8. Isn&#8217;t suppressing minor helpful informational additions to past work only going to also suppress the art we seek to build.</p>
<p>Tom is obviously a working professional adding to the art and not at all seeking to diminish it.</p>
<p>I applaud the additional info and will be printing it to tip into my Books of Wonder.</p>
<p>Thanks Tom</p>
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		<title>Von: escamoteur</title>
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		<dc:creator>escamoteur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mats Isn&#039;t the tape more visible?

I was already thinking of trying 3M PostIt Spray glue.

Thanks for this tipp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mats Isn&#8217;t the tape more visible?</p>
<p>I was already thinking of trying 3M PostIt Spray glue.</p>
<p>Thanks for this tipp</p>
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		<title>Von: Mats Kjellstrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mats Kjellstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use double scotch tape. Wax is messy...</description>
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		<title>Von: escamoteur</title>
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		<dc:creator>escamoteur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Christian,

no I won’t remove this post due to the following reasons:

   1. As I already stressed, it will be really hard for anybody to learn the trick just from my description. Btw. I didn’t make it better, I just distilled the best from the Book and DVD. Feel free to use it with your upcomming set as long as you reference me.


   2. The video clip is already on YouTube and L&amp;L has not protested yet, I only put it here in a better quality. Also I only put the performance piece on with heavy recomondations to buy the DVDs from L&amp;L so L&amp;L will rather benefit from it.


   3. The same is true for Hermetic press, as the Books of Wonder get more attention to the younger generation. If Stephen Minch objects to this view I will reconsider taking it down.


   4. Most important: My blog is completely non commercial.


   5. Also as I did not copy any part of the book directly I’m not sure where the copyright of the trick itself really lies, but I don’t want to go into this further.


   6. To make the needed card set on your own is pretty much work and expensive, so I’m sire everyone who reads this post and wants to perform this master piece will happyly wait till your set is ready and buy it from you. I you send me one, I will post about it as soon as they are available, so also you have a benefit from this post.

Best Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Christian,</p>
<p>no I won’t remove this post due to the following reasons:</p>
<p>   1. As I already stressed, it will be really hard for anybody to learn the trick just from my description. Btw. I didn’t make it better, I just distilled the best from the Book and DVD. Feel free to use it with your upcomming set as long as you reference me.</p>
<p>   2. The video clip is already on YouTube and L&#038;L has not protested yet, I only put it here in a better quality. Also I only put the performance piece on with heavy recomondations to buy the DVDs from L&#038;L so L&#038;L will rather benefit from it.</p>
<p>   3. The same is true for Hermetic press, as the Books of Wonder get more attention to the younger generation. If Stephen Minch objects to this view I will reconsider taking it down.</p>
<p>   4. Most important: My blog is completely non commercial.</p>
<p>   5. Also as I did not copy any part of the book directly I’m not sure where the copyright of the trick itself really lies, but I don’t want to go into this further.</p>
<p>   6. To make the needed card set on your own is pretty much work and expensive, so I’m sire everyone who reads this post and wants to perform this master piece will happyly wait till your set is ready and buy it from you. I you send me one, I will post about it as soon as they are available, so also you have a benefit from this post.</p>
<p>Best Tom</p>
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		<title>Von: Christian Card-Shark Schenk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Card-Shark Schenk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom,

I would like to ask you to remove immediately this PDF file as I got the copyrights to publish the Tamed Card effect from Tommy Wonder´s Estate. Also Hermetic Press has agreed to allow me to publish the excerpt from Tommy´s book (and I have to pay for that) and also L&amp;L publishing will allow me to use the video file (yes, also I have to pay for that). 

The effect will be published by the beginning of 2010 together with the complete set of cards and gaffs.

So even if you streamlined his routine or made it better you still are referring to his routine. So please may I kindly ask to remove the PDF file immediately?

Thank you. 
Christian Schenk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom,</p>
<p>I would like to ask you to remove immediately this PDF file as I got the copyrights to publish the Tamed Card effect from Tommy Wonder´s Estate. Also Hermetic Press has agreed to allow me to publish the excerpt from Tommy´s book (and I have to pay for that) and also L&amp;L publishing will allow me to use the video file (yes, also I have to pay for that). </p>
<p>The effect will be published by the beginning of 2010 together with the complete set of cards and gaffs.</p>
<p>So even if you streamlined his routine or made it better you still are referring to his routine. So please may I kindly ask to remove the PDF file immediately?</p>
<p>Thank you.<br />
Christian Schenk</p>
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